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Zero Politics/"new" "reformed" CDDSC ?

   
Joined on 14 syys 2007
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Zero Politics/"new" "reformed" CDDSC ?

18. helmikuuta 2008 16:03

I see a fundamental problem with www.cddsc.com  article  inviting all CADA members in  joining this "reformed" CDDSC.

Had CDDSC come first with the invitation, all would be well,  however,  the new invitation while supposedly promoting zero politics, appears to be highly political and rather underhanded.

 

CDDSC knows  that CADA  Rules prohibits their members from attending CDDSC events,  knows that the new Ontario "Star "event is unsanctined by CADA,   and that CADA does not allow CDDSC active members to compete in CADA events.

 

Aware of these Rules  they still  try "innocently" lure dancers and CADA members in good standing to break their own existing Rules,  very well aware and not at all concerned that the CADA dancers would suffer consequences, which they are well aware of, including and not limited to being expelled from CADA for one year.

 

The suggestion that CDDSC membership would be paid by the organizer of the newly proposed Ontario Open Championship  is equally underhanded.

 

Is it that the Organizer wishes to part with $ 25 per person, or,  is it that the Organizer  is concerened that this duplication of the already available and well established  Ontario Open Amateur Championship run under CADA sanctions would result in a rather 'poor/ no'  attendance by Canadian Amateur dancers,  and would end up with just all finals,  such as was the case last year in  the "World Trophy "  in Quebec ?

 

CDDSC might as well  promise a free membership to those who attend their competition, as a reward for breaking the CADA Rule,  and for committing a career suicide  as far as their future withing CADA/IDSF world.

 

It also appears to me that CDDC in the article  invites amateurs to take a course and become professionals to dance as professionals.

 

This is truly sad.  It encourages unprepared,  unripe, 'not as good'  amateur dancers to make a leap to an elite group of established and proven dancers just to  enlarge the  professioanl membership.

Is such action  going  to give any challenge to the proven and excellent professionals,  will competing against weak dancers push the true professionals to do their best ?  And is it not just going to discourage the "new' "professionals"  as they will be used just to boost the competition numbers and used as stepping stones  gfor the  true professionals to have at least a semifinal event.  They better be well motivated and becoime used to repeated humiliation and defeat.

 

Will this result un greater attendance by spectators ?   Spectators want to see quality dancing,  not some Bronze and Silver level "Professionals" being rubbed out by mucyh better dancers.  Do they want to see good professioanls tripping and avoiding  the "new" professionals ? 

 

Considering CDDSC knows  about CADA Rules their invitation is Highly political.

Openly  inviting dancers to  break rules,  something that CDDSC  would never allowed their own members to do....since even CDDSC has some rules, do they not ?

 

This just leaves a bad taste in one's mouth,  it is not the best example of acting in a good spirit, honourably,  and above the board.

 

CDDSC would be wise  to  face their oponent in dance =CADA and negotiate openly for the benefit of the dance in Canada,  for the benefit of their members - who CDDSC  wishes to attend CADA events- so  they claim -  and the members of CADA (  those who CDDSC encourages to openly disobey and betray their own association= CADA,  to face  consequences detrimental to their amateur career and dance advancement ).

 

Some asked : what is CADA afraid of ?  

Ley me refraze:

 

What is CDDSC  so afraid of that they must set traps and lures ( offers of free mebership throgh a third party )  to possibly attract and gain a few naive CADA members ?  

 Has CDDSC  given up on negotiating with CADA ?   Or is it that WDC instructs CDDSC what they can and cannot do,  and CDDSC  is just a tail of the real Dog.

 

I am opposed to the tone and content of this underhanded invitation to join CDDSC  and feel that they have just their own benefit in mind,  and the purpose is to weaken CADA,  enlarge own membership,  gain financially while not at all concerned   with the future of the CADA members and their obvious sacrifice.

 

Would DCDSC  have the few CADA members who may join them  compete in a redundant/ duplicate Ontario Open and promenade them in front of Canada as sacrificial lams -  as new Champions ???

 

This is just not right ?  Such an "invitation"  can onlu be -  and will be interpreted as a hostile act by CADA,  because it is a ill conceived motion to misinform and to " steal" CADA members,  encotagement to break CADA Rules , which can only   breed  more hostility towards CDDSC.

 

Understandably,  CDDSC  will just shake the head in disbelieve saying "  What on Earth has prompted CADA to be so unfriendly ?"

 

If CDDSC is so great for dancers in Quebec ,  why not prove the greatness in Quebec,  why push their 'might' into Ontario  where there are already many worthwhile  and well attended competition including Ontario Open ?   Does need  two Ontario Open Championships and two Ontario Open Champions,  or is this suppose to be the trend WDC  and IDSF promote,  that is,  each organisation having their own World Amateur and  World Professional Champions ?

 

This is not the way  to go.   The future is in finding a mutually acceptable solution and uniting dancers not dividing.

 

( Disclaimer:  of CADA had no above mentioned Rules in place,  and their members had not agreed to the CADA Rules I'd find nothing wring with CDDSC invitation -  but  I do not believe such an invitation would be extended because it would not be hostile and damaging to CADA any more )

Do not forget,  this  may also be a very personal fight - something the associations should avoid at all costs,  and using associations to wash the individual's dirty laundry would be very sad and disappointing.  The members and their needs should come first. 

 

If the  CADA members,  who were 2 years ago allowed to participate in CDDSC events,  not forced to  pay  an unnecessary new membership to CDDSC,  this may have never happened.   The collection of the extra, and completely unnecessary $ 25 fee   to assure "Purity" of Canadian amateur, later changed to making a Registry....later changed to an annual  membership....was the start of a very unfortunate split,  and much hostilities,   including the need to st in place Rules.     Today the hostility need to seize.

 

This "letter"   is not what dancers  want.  Please swallow your Pride,  get back to the table and negotiate from strenght,  or just come to some binding even a short term  lasting agreement,  for your members sake.   What you do is damaging to your members.

 

Amen ! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Joined on 29 elo 2007
Total posts: 85

Re: Zero Politics/"new" "reformed" CDDSC ?

19. helmikuuta 2008 17:10

Aspirin,

 

You seem to miss the points that CADA Ban,Threaten and Intimiidate!

If people want to join CDDSC. Why Not, If they wish? The question of money/fees is irrelevant.

Have CADA ever asked their members what they want regarding unsanctioned competitions? Most surely just want to dance and do not care?

Is Canada not a democracy?

Would any Canadian court support CADAs actions of threats against its members for just belonging to another organization? Surely Not.

Its policies regarding this are surely illigal?

CDDSC is not pushing their " Might"as you put it in Ontario, just offering an event like the ones in Quebec.

CDDSC has never,we understand,"Given up on CADA but CADA on the CDDSC. CDDSC asked for 2 independant arbitrations that were refused by CADA. They have the CDF! They don`t need the CDDSC now.

There are far more CADA members that are unhappy with CADA, than there are unhappy members of the CDDSC we expect. The CDDSC is a joint Amataeur and Professional organization.

CADA and the CDF are exactly were thay have put themselves. Organizations that are full of corruption and deceipt. They are now burrying themselves slowly.

Joined on 31 elo 2007
Total posts: 72

Re: Zero Politics/"new" "reformed" CDDSC ?

21. helmikuuta 2008 8:12

Dear Aspirin

I thought the article on the CDDSC web site was well written and seemed to explain their position quite clearly.

 

When I read your post I had to read the CDDSC article again. You seem to object to CDDSC inviting CADA amateurs to join CDDSC and dance in CDDSC competitions and allowing CDDSC competitors to join CADA and dance in CADA events. WHY?

 

Your objection seems to be because to do so would be breaking CADA Rules. I made a comment on CDTA rules previously.

 

Yes members should obey the rules of their association. But the rules should pertain to the activity of the association.  In a competition there are rules that must be followed, dress, tempo etc. There is no problem here. The rules pertain to the activity. In this case dancesport.

 

But these kinds of rules which are necessary for running competitions are completely different than the CADA Rule that says if you want to belong to my association, you cannot belong to another. Or dance in another Associations competitions. This infringes on an individuals rights and freedoms. Most countries have laws that guarantee Freedom of Association.

 

Have you ever heard of a golf club saying you can belong to our club but then you can't play elsewhere? Or Sears saying if you join the Sears Club you may not shop at the Bay?

 

Do you think if you wish to compete in dancesport you should sign away your freedom? You don't have to in any other sport.

 

An Association can make a rule that only their members can dance in their competitions. That is one thing. And if that were happening here there wouldn't be such a furor.

 

And exactly what is it that CADA is afraid of? I thought we believed that competition was healthy and led to improvements.

 

The fact is, the CADA rule only benefits  IDSF/CADA executive who want to control all of dancesport.

 

On another of your comments. I didn't read that CDDSC wanted amateurs to take a course and become professionals. You are mixing up CDDSC with CDF. CDF hold courses where you can become a professional? and an IDSF adjudicator by paying $500 and taking a 2 day course. Haven't you wondered why all of a sudden we have so many IDSF adjudicators in Canada? To become a professional in CDDSC you must be a member of CDTA. This is an entirely different level of qualification.

 

You are right however that CDDSC seem to want the amateurs to progress through the amateur levels and then progress through the professional levels. And they will help them. But I can't see anything wrong with that. Neither, I would suspect, can all the World Champions who have followed and are still following that path.

 

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