Re: Poor Canada (stop pointing on our own country )

12. maaliskuuta 2008 4:03

Hello Writers,

I hope that I and others follow my lead in putting a stop to embarrassing our own country and bringing negative attention to it. I write in my own name and an example of freedom of dancers. I am a dancer my job is to train and compete. Why do I care about what happens around my with organizations and corruption. Where I am not or should not be aloud to compete. This is not my job or responsibility.

My job is to improve Canadian dance sport and to expose it in a positive way. Many people are taking about our nation of Canada, about the couples here WHY?? Why do we bring a bad reputation on our own in front of the whole world. Instead of promoting our dancers we critic them, instead of promoting our competitions we write about how bad they are. Why are there forums about Snowball and La Classique talking about negative things and not how many entries they have grown by.

I hear all this talk about amateurs have to "worry about being banned" ( Keggs)                                 I am a representative in Canada I have never once thought that.  I WORRY ABOUT PEOPLE PUTTING OUR COUNTRY DOWN. I WORRY ABOUT THE NEGATIVE PEOPLE THAT MAKE AMATEURS AND PROFESSIONALS LOOK BAD WHEN WRITING UNDER DISGUISE. Please speak for yourself and if you don't have positive things to say about CANADA then keep it to yourself please. PUT A STOP TO THESE FORUMS!! support and stop

Kamil Studenny

Re: Poor Canada

12. maaliskuuta 2008 18:01

To Dancing Girl and Kamil S.

What Dancing girl and Luvtodance say is absolutely right. Most people who are members of CADA just want to dance and don`t care about the politics. However, would like the freedom to do as they want. They would be happy to follow C.A.D.A. rules when doing their comps, but don`t want to be restricted to just C.A.D.A./I.D.S.F. events.  This is, was, and will always be wrong. And is all about control and nothing more.

Kamil, it is indeed a shame that this topic is bringing some bad light towards Canada. There are many points I am sure you and others did not realize were, and are happening behind closed doors, that you were deliberatly not told about. Everyone reading this thread should realize it is not the dancers such as you that are at fault. You and other dancers are doing Canada a great service. But, it is the non dancers at the top of the C.A.D.A. food chain that implement these rules for you to follow without your consultation.

These are the important questions that are not answered to many peoples satisfaction, or at all.

When C.A.D.A. introduced all these bans and threats many years ago on their website.

A} Why were C.A.D.A. members not consulted, informed or allowed to vote on such important actions like bans of comps and couples. They are supposed to represent you?

B} What benifit to anyone do bans make? And is it so very important that competitors lose their freedom to compete where they wish, and belong to other organizations if they want? 

C} Why is C.A.D.A. is so seemingly out of line and extreme in its actions compered to other I.D.S.F. members in the U.K. The U.S.A. and other countries? I.D.S.F. and USADance couples can compete and can be members of  The N.D.C.A.{U.S.A. W.D.C. Member like C.D.D.S.C. }comps in the U.S.A.?  Why not here in Canada?

D} Why did C.A.D.A. Excecutive Members to the I.D.S.F. Alledgedly stop a presentation of why bans were not good or right, by a top and long time Excecutive Member of the I.D.S.F, Mr. Bain? 

We understand that Quicktime2 is right. The Danish I.D.S.F. member did back down in a court case against their own members who wanted to compete in an "Unsanctioned Event" the Dutch Open, with out any more bans in place. The Danish dancers stood up for their rights! Should C.A.D.A. members act the same? This is for them to decide?

C.A.D.A. members only hearing one side of the story from C.A.D.A. is not a balanced veiw. So thats why people want forums such as this to discuss the issues and have their own oppinion expressed.

Sambatogo.

Re: Poor Canada

13. maaliskuuta 2008 4:35

We are getting some interesting responses. We have someone who wants to learn the facts and try to understand why some of the IDSF rules have been established and why they are not applied the same way by all IDSF associations. This raises some questions and it even results in negative remarks about CADA policy. There are others trying to defend that policy.

I do not see anything wrong in that approach. After all this is a forum on Dancesport Politics.

There are of course others who do not want to question but are quite willing to do what is asked. KamilS wrote

Canada is being strong in enforcing and keeping I.D.S.F rules if it is a non sanctioned event it means that under IDSF rules it is unfit and does not meet their standards. Very easy. Personally when I am told something I don't do it. My organization protects me and I respect it and do what they ask of me.

I would ask KamilS, if the CADA told him that he could not dance at Blackpool or he would be suspended, what would he do. Would he do what the Danish competitors did when they were told they could not dance at Assen.  Or would he "do what they ask of me" and agree that it "is unfit and does not meet their standards"

Blackpool is held under the British Dance Council (BDC) rules.. The BDC is the WDC representative for England the same as the CDDSC is the WDC representative for Canada. None of the competitions sanctioned by BDC, CDDSC or NDCA are held under IDSF rules. CADA will suspend you for dancing in a CDDSC competition. If this were a matter of principle they would therefore also suspend you for dancing at Blackpool. Who knows? Perhaps they will.

A forum is to discuss and present opposing views and facts. People who read this forum can check the facts or allegations etc put forward and make up their own minds. I don't think you will get far trying to stop this kind of discussion. It's part of democracy.

Re: Poor Canada

13. maaliskuuta 2008 15:23

@Sambatogo

How low are you prepared to step down  ?

For once a  bona-fide, a real person, a Canadian Champion introduces himself on line,  instead of your (  "spouse" , you and perhaps CDDSC left-overs ) cowardly nicks.... defending his association,  while providing  proof that IDSF is good for dancesport in Canada and in Ontario ...

...and YOU... and your spouse (  I hoped you have consulted with HER/ "them"   )  when you  accuse Kamil  of trying to get browny points,  hence gain unfair advantage by kissing up to CADA offocials just before Canadian Closed Championships,  by making his view public in this forum ?

YOU ?  The same Sambatogo who  calls contributors IDIOTS  when you cannot not find substance, and words to argue yor CDDSC/WDS skewed  , one sided, and blinded opinions.

@ Kamil

Kamil,  please do not answer any more of Quickstep2 and Sambatogo's  reteric, please realize these coward may be one,  and it is so easy here to take cheap shoots  at  real people,   criticize  and insult real heros, all  from an ambush and sidelines. 

Sambatogo and"their faithfull Yes man quickstep2"  must  feel they are real power houses.  Why not pate and copy your CDDSC newsletter here instead of your insulting comments ?  

How ridiculous and meaningless it is of "them" to write : 

"I don't think you will get far trying to stop this kind of discussion. It's part of democracy."

Is it democratic to act as cowards and call contributors names like Idiots,  and while claiming knowing all and supporting dancers ( who you two repeatedly portrait as apparently all stupid and naive and just  wanting  to dance ),  you now insult one brave and accomplished dancer who is brave to stand up to your monotonous monologue ? 

What discussion ?

  First you accuse Canada of being Poor -  well,  I am not alone expressing that this was a rather poorly worded topic, since all you want is to dump on IDSF and CADA and name and insult Canadian dancers.

Second, you target Kamil Studenny and when he properly ( in my view bravely , yet foolishly- as he cannot win with you two )  responds to you explaining and answering many questions you have raised under different topic, you immediately go onto an attack and accuse him of brown nosing.

You should be ashamed yourselves cowards,  I hope all readers of this your rubbish, you call discussion, find you and your comments offensive, inappropriate and disgusting.

I also will be in Halifax.  I am quite prepared to become a casulty of politics and skewed judging,   but it will not be because of IDSF or CADA  but because of the  local politics played out by irrelavant judges who just may be very much influenced by personal gains.  This is a real problem with today dancesport,  and I am so thankful  that there are Rules  that  both dancers and adjudicators need to observe,  if not respect,   the same Rules which enable more fairness  in this unfair and often corrupted playing field.  For the same reason I also hide,  just as you brace Sambatogo and Quickstep2.

The brave "discussion leaders" not having to worry when  the tea pot calls kettle black.

Kamil.  Please,  do not come back.   This is not a forum for straight shooters.   There is no pride in fighting hooded cowards,  who are very happy to and feel quite comfortable fighing, in shaddows,  while happy dwelling and rolling in dirt and excrement of their one side mind. 

With contributors like Sambatogo this forum has lost ...and no person of authority would ever, in my view, join in an answer questions,  because they would just be attacked and abused.

Re: Poor Canada

13. maaliskuuta 2008 16:09

Little upset Sunshine2 ?    Don't be,  or you will mistake Quickstep and Quicktime !

Please note,  Sambatogo joined forum 8-29-07   and has vertually identical number od posts as someone called  Quicktime2 - joined forum 8-300-7,

where both Sambatogo and Quicktime2  take turns taking turns dumping on CADA, IDSF, and all dancers who apparently just 'endure'  their  alleged "dictatorship",  while never missing  an opportunity to support each other ie:

quicktime2 to sambatogo:

"You are right in all counts. I have heard that Vince Bain, who was a vice-president of IDSF and in charge of policy...."

I forgot,  ... Mr. Vince Bain and the CADA's alleged role during the  vote.

On that subject : I suppose if it were not for CADA officials IDSF would have praised, and promoted Mr. Bain, instead of the action which took place, on account of "Poor Canada ".  Come on,  what happened would have happened if Canada was not participating, IDSF would have simply asked another participating member to object...( I do not condone actions, just comment on the logic of Sambatogo/Quicktime2/ex-Polkadancer conclusions ).  

I have been on this forum probably longer than anyone.  I have seen them come and go,  but I have not yet seen anyone inviting  contributors to sign under real name ( ie. IDSF or CADA, or OADA official, or a  member ) to answer some  questions, shed light on accusations,  and then, when it happends attack, abuse and offend them such as Sambatogo and Quicktime have done to the Canadian Latin Champions.  That was uncalled for and not nice.    

As I stated earlier up this thread,  this thread was ill perceived,  and  your concept of democracy  you, Sambatogo ( 8-29-07 and 55 +/- 5 posts )  and Quicktime2 ( 8-30-07 with 55+/- 5 posts )  

both of you often  refering to yourselves as "we"  and "us",  is not a democracy I enjoy,  your democracy appears to have more common with  lies, deception, and dishonesty.

You owe Kamil  and the honest forum contributors an appology and you need stop your deception and log on under your real name if you have any intergrity at all.  You are so transparent it hurts the inteligence.

Also, do make up you minds.   On one hand you celebrate brave action of Dutch dancers in Assen,   on the other hand you insinuate that comeptition dancers with good mind ought to keep their mouths shut ?

Is that what you meant with your suggestion to Kamil in your shameful post ?

This was not nice, and I agree, shame on you.

Kindly, do not accuse me of being rather personal.  I am .