Re: No 1 WDC Amateur League OPEN World Amateur Championships CORRECT POST VERSION
12. toukokuuta 2008 8:17
@Keggs.
You asked why the WDC could not call off their event as a gesture of goodwill.
I know and you should know that it would not be accepted as such. It would be "spun" into retreat, it would be defined as a defeat for the WDC. A lack of support amongst competitors and adjudicators. It would be claimed that WDC had failed all those who signed the danceinternationaaL declaration and registered for the Amateur League. It would be claimed WDC were turning their back on those Amateurs who had been ex-communicated by IDSF.
A real gesture of goodwill would be for the IDSF to agree to dancers competing in an Open Market atmosphere and for an Amnesty for those who had "upset" the IDSF previously.
Many people are only too well aware of the competitions the long established and the new which the IDSF destroyed or attempted to destroy.
Can I add here I most certainly do not want you to make any derogatory statement at all. You are able to make your own decisions, express them. stand by them.
EDITED ADDITION:
Keggs I have just read Martyns story. There are important differences. We do not know if all the best Karate competitors were Professionals and already members of one of two bodies and joined there by all the best past champions and todays trainers and developers od the sport. May we ask the name of these 2 organisations?
I know the World Karate Federation is an IOC member. Did the IOC take no action to prevent the situation?
I would also ask does Martyn partake in another sport? Does Martyn hold a certain position with an interested body? Is Martyn impartial or trying to present his "story" in the best light for his "side"? Thats the strong impression I am left with. He makes many claims which need not be relevant to dancing at all and he is guessing (or pretending),.
Personally I would need very much more factual detail and conformation/proof of the claims made before swallowing them. Where did you first read Martyns story? It is altready public information and an atempt to discredit the WDC-..
Why not wake Martyn up and tell him those countries driving the IDSF today are not the least interested in England and if they can do harm then they will and take pleasure from it-.
Yet another reason why I find your position strange when you want a better future for England/Britain.
From Martyns words
"even now I hesitate in writing this for fear of damaging my future career in the sport."
It seems he is afraid of the intimidation and threats. To which dance organisations does he belong that instill this fear in him?.
I wish you had given us all the information at the outset rather than by my doing "searches". and finding out. Sorry if this makes me a bad person in your books.
The only connection between Martyns story and the WDC Open Amateur World Championships seems for me to be the fear being instilled in the competitors with reprisals if they dance..
Perhaps Martyn should read the words of Mr. Bain it might give him some new insight into what is happening..
@Think of Me.
I think if there is confusion it is with you. Instead of finding the conversation "entertaining" it would be better to seek your own answers. Iif you have not already decided where your loyalties will go then sooner or later you will. Think about it.
@aspirin.
If by dancers you mean amateur competitors then is it not a bad reflection on IDSF and the policies that they have created a fragmented world? Have they done this deliberately so the dancers feel they cannot achieve their own wishes?
@ Elaine-
From some of my earlier words you will know I share your sentiments. I am not sure that a world wide movement is necessary. In each country the dancers meet at comps etc and they can surely reach a majority agreement and take this up with their Organisation leaders and if that fails take action. The Danish Latin Couples did this and it went on to assist the standard dancers also.
For NOT competing dancers have been threatened before. Some times it has been individual couples threatened by important figures. Sometimes it has been national associations requiring their couples to compete at a certain event. As with the World Games it has been National Members threatened if they did not send a representative - if they had possible semi finalists.
@sunshine2.
I do not know if you meant it but I found your words rather mocking and scornful of Elaine's view.
However you are presupposing that the wheelchair and others wished to remain part of IDSF when the huge part of their membership had been suspended/banned/defected. They might feel rather isolated and out in the cold. You also overlook the huge loss of income for the IDSF. No more cash coming in for all those IDSF Opens, Grand Slams and dozens of "Championships"
Adjudicators might return licences when there are so very few competitions to adjudicate.
Sometimes one wonders do the IDSF only involve the wheelchair and other dancers because it increases their power. Certainly they are given few opportunities to display their wonderful art..
General Comment
I am sure that the IDSF pray every night that the thinking of some members of the forum will continue.
It suits then for Dancers to think and proclaim they are powerless and therefore it is useless to take any action. Inj fact this is paramount for IDSF.
It suits them for Dancers to believe they are Prisoners of War.
It suits them for Dancers to believe that the IDSF have great ideas and are doing something.
It suits them that Dancers simply take the bait and believe something is happening because IDSF talk a good talk. without any following action.
With apologies to all I am going to also place this in the WDC vs IDSF thread which is where it belongs in general. I also want to add a few further thoughts.
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